The perfect spot for me is mid thigh
I love going to work

Explore the Features Leather Uppers Breathable material to regulate heat and and keep feet cool and dry Removable Insoles Footbeds can be removed to accommodate your own orthotics Supportive Insoles Removable insole features a supportive polyurethane layer, gel pods in the forefoot and heel and polyethylene cushioning from heel to toe Protective Toe Box Protective toe box provides extra protection from toe stubbing Long-Lasting Shoe Use of top-quality material and construction helps prevent wear and tear and makes for a longer lasting shoe Firm Heel Counter Provides extra medial and lateral support and stability for day-to-day activities Additional Details Widths: Medium (B/C/D), Wide (E/EE), Extra Wide (EEE/EEEE) Sizes: 6.0 - 15 Colors: Black, Chestnut Material: Stretch Lycra and Leather Collection: Dress HCPCS / NDC: A5500 Shoes / 000005500 Instruction If you experience any pain, swelling, sensation changes, or any unusual reactions while using this product, consult your medical professional immediately

Gold, silver, bronze, pewter, and rose gold shoes act as the ultimate, universal evening neutrals
And they make good on that promise
But chinos and sports coats absolutely fine